(V1.0) The Guide to 100%-Linux/KDE/Desktop-Success (The Linux manifest)

The Guide to 100%-Linux/KDE/Desktop-Success

By a friend of the Linux community known as Peter P. Parker

This is a guide on how Linux and especially the KDE desktop could revolutionize the world of computers and operating systems and bring a major breakthrough so Linux would go mainstream. It is made for the KDE desktop but the ideas could also find their way into GNOME and other environments.

Dear friends of Linux, Open Source, KDE and desktops, beautiful desktops!

I was always a friend of the open source community and used Linux for quite some time together with the KDE desktop but also with GNOME and others as they passed by version and version. I once created a online community but left after I felt like the developers weren’t listening to the users and therefore the future wouldn’t lie with KDE and Linux but with others. Since then I have watched the community constantly and took a close look at all the projects that were promising a revolution. For a very long time this was supposed to be the KDE 4.0 desktop but now it has come to my attention that 4.0 is struggling to fulfill all the dreams I had.

To start it all off, let’s take a quick dive into the history of operating systems, real quick!

When it comes to the actual operating system world, we can basically talk about Windows, Mac and Linux competing but with Windows far ahead, Mac winning in the last year and Linux only growing in some categories and mostly because of a cheaper but not more compelling alternative. To aim for a desktop like the Windows system is nobodies aim because it lags every kind of innovation, even Vista is just a spiced up Windows with new games and some stuff just stolen from Mac and maybe even Linux. The system that Linux should follow is Mac, not only does Linux share the same roots with it but it should also share the vision for a desktop revolution and being “far ahead of its time”.

So what makes Mac so special?

The Mac developers always kept a look at putting together a system that was making it easier and easier for the users to use and give him handy tools to complete jobs. Mac OS X was released to the market in 2001 and couldn’t claim the success right from the beginning but was also struggling. Over the next years the developers added more and more features to make it the best desktop in the world. I think you can say that without feeling bad because it just works right out of the box and that is very important.

The only mistake Apple makes is, they put price tags on their computers that nobody wants to pay. If their computers would go in the Windows price range, everybody would basically buy a Mac. This is already a fact for Linux, okay you can’t buy Linux preinstalled but even these computers have popped up and are popping up more and more, like the Dell-Ubuntu deal that was announced recently. The only problem is that most of the people don’t know Linux and if they know something, they know it’s hard to use such a computer and that it lags third party applications.

This picture is false but true.

What? Linux comes in to many flavours and yes there are simple ones and there are hard ones. Some of them have a complete blue design, some go more pink or black or yellow or how about red? I’m talking of course about distributions. There are the majors one and the minor ones. There is no Linux 2.6 or 2007 or 10.4.10, there are thousands of “Linuxes” out there, no user can decide upon which one he should choose. He can only rely on popular opinion and research but Google finds so much that it’s impossible to decide upon something that doesn’t really has to be decided because some distributions just do the same job as the ones with a different name. There are just too many distributions out there.

Software companies can’t enter the Linux market easily because it’s a mess. Hardware vendors can’t develop their drivers easily because the Linux market is a mess. These are two essential things that keep Linux from getting mainstream. Together with the unavailability of Linux drivers it’s a lot of work sometimes to get a device running if your current kernel somehow isn’t build for it. Just get a new computer user and make him do this job, he will fail.

How did Mac change this? Mac did grow stronger and has someone with a bag of innovation around: Steve Jobs. No it’s not only him but he represents Apple and is therefore known for this. When Steve Jobs contacted or EA or the other way round, they both knew they were going to have a partnership that was only going to mean success to both sides.

Who should companies who want to “go Linux” turn to? Write Linus Torvalds an email? They could, but it wouldn’t bring their product to Linux. They could write to a software company that offers a distribution but that would only bring their software to one of the many “Linuxes”.

This makes it uninteresting for these companies to “go Linux”. They simply don’t. To tell me anything about LSB or other certificates, they do nothing. They helped Linux barely. They started out to bring a major advance to Linux but they ended as a simple sticker on a box that might be there or not, for the users it means nothing. There is no LSB x.x binary I can download software of and it will simply run because at the end my distribution dependencies decide.

I hope you are not getting bored because this is just the start but now it will get interesting.

Mac could only gain more market share because they showed they are innovative and are being bought, so for Linux we just have to do the same thing.

The main advantage that Linux could gain would be a new way on how Linux drivers are being used. For Linux it would be the best to adopt the Windows solution here: Modules that can be integrated at runtime but are better then the current modules because right now to many modules make a system slow. Let the user put in a driver disc and the Linux driver will be on it with a preconfigured tag like linux-2.6.x-company-soundcardname-version.tar.bz2 and a nice dialogue will ask the user if he wants to install this driver and can even tell him that this is a commercial non-free driver (and that there is a free version available or make him chose between these too if available).

Recompiling a kernel must be history because a simple computer user can’t do it.

The next thing has to be the creation of a real Linux standard that will make Linux tags a reality and therefore the creation of only one setup for the creators. There are already solutions coming around like smart (http://labix.org/smart) and autopackage (http://autopackage.org/) but for now they are not the solution they are only a step on the way to Linux 1.0, for example.

I’m only cutting the topic for now but I would love to go deeper into the issue but right now I think I would waste my time if I would start working on a full concept for “Linux 1.0”. For this to happen there would have to be an effort made by the community but the freedesktop.org community has proven to be working so why shouldn’t there be some major rules that apply and make a application run on several versions?

So how about the Desktop?

I just had to put that ahead of this because I thought the two ideas are necessary too but now I will go over to take a look at the future of the Linux desktop but I will concentrate on KDE 4.0 and keep GNOME only at the side but everything can apply to GNOME too. GNOME is right now heading somewhere without direction and innovation. The only real innovation that GNOME has brought around was beagle (the great desktop search) but next to this the project has proven to be unchangeable or only changeable bit by bit over years. Where is a vision for 3.0? The first time 3.0 was talked about was 2004 and that was about forking GNOME to keep the old 2.x up, well 3 years later we’re still 2.x, the old train.

KDE 4.0 was going to bring the revolutionary desktop on Linux and other operating system as it is based upon Qt, a multi-platform library. After a long time of development and only few informations, a lot of informations began to pop up around the net on blogs and the dot (http://dot.kde.org/). The release date was set a few months ago because sometime there had to be and end to all the months, already years of development. The news that came around then were the ones saying that some features would have to be set back to 4.1 making 4.0 only an incomplete 4.0. This came to my attention and made me very unhappy.

All the developers have done a great job so far and there is nothing to say because a lot of them code for KDE and don’t get paid for it, that’s just how open source works. I just have to say that.

What I’m really missing though is the vision that was talked about since the idea of 4.0 came around and started to hit websites like KDE-Look (http://www.kde-look.org/). There are several great mockups and ideas but they have barely been selected by the KDE developers and used to create a complete mockup for KDE 4.0.

When Steve Jobs went on stage to show new Leopard features and the features of previous versions the audience went crazy and praised him like a god. This shows the insanity of some people but it turns out it is also a reality that at the end turns into a success for Apple.

KDE 4.0 has to become a desktop that blows even leopard away because it has a built-in search (strigii it’s being called right now) that is far better then spotlight because it does include features like beagle++ (a beagle version that finds more through cross references: http://beagle.kbs.uni-hannover.de/index.html). It has to bring the graphic effects that are being promised with plasma but not only for the desktop but for all the KDE applications so they should go into the kdelibs (they are being frozen June 25th so there is barely time for this to happen). Something like Quartz (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Quartz_%28graphics_layer%29) because fancy desktops are fancy. Beryl and compiz are finally finding there way together but a lot of the features are for fun right now and I don’t know anyone who really uses the cube for efficiency. There has to be a closer look on things that make sense and make it easier for a user to use the desktop. There is a Google Summer of Code student working on some effects for kwin (the KDE window manager) but I haven’t heard of any of his works recently so I fear that he stopped working on it!? There has to be a smooth desktop that isn’t eating up resources but this happens when the X.org server, compiz or beryl, beagle and a complete desktop environment. The new 4.0 should already included the compiz/beryl and beagle part and that in a very efficient way.

One of the very promising mockup is this one: http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kde4+Mockup?content=28476. Of course this vision isn’t complete because the menu lags other categories but the idea is great and the unification of communication and creation is great. There is also a video that shows it somehow in action (http://kde-look.org/content/show.php/Kde+4+%28Mockup+Video%29?content=59872). The usage of a combined place for all the actions that are happening around the PC is great and is somehow to the new feature for the Mac OS X Leopard dock.

I want to have a kopete in 4.0 that is full of interaction with other users because you can start sharing apps or somehow simple editions of apps live and therefore share images and maybe play around with them, share mails, share games, … bring the Web 2.0 stuff to KDE but only the useful things.

Add a function to the spotlight-like search I talked about that if I put in an address will provide me with a Google Map of the location I entered. When I put in two locations calculate my way. If I enter two metro stations get me the way and times when I can take the metro.

I love the new icon feature that was introduced a few days ago but was going around as an idea for quite sometime (http://blog.ruphy.org/?p=11). How many great things could you create with it. There is already user who suggests adding an icon that previews a song for 30secs without even opening an application and offering a stop button with a countdown inside. How about the same for videos? You will extract zip archives with only one click!

This is the chance to bring up a desktop that will really blow away the people when it gets close to Mac and stays free at the same time!

I know I only talked shortly about the ideas that are around but hey you don’t need to thing a lot, just thing simple and straight to the point so the users gets it and doesn’t need any help.

This is a call to all the developers out there to urge them to create this desktop everyone is waiting for the first desktop that really brings on changes in the desktop world that has been so long without major innovations that change the way of desktops completely.

Do it. Make it happen. Think different. Think simply and open!

But there is one more thing… (not Steve again)

Let’s call it the craziest idea in Linux publicity forever. I kept it around in my head for sometime, wanted to communicate it to someone but nobody was listening so I include it in this document.

How great would it be if at the end of September the people of the computing and lifestyle press would receive an invitation to a great desktop release that is far ahead of it’s time? Of course this idea is taken from Apple but everyone introduces his or her products with a press conference but open source has done this in a too passive way and hasn’t gained the publicity it should have gotten.

I’m proposing to bring on a KDE 4.0 show that should show the world the great features of this new desktop together with announcing that Dell and other major computer companies will now sell computers with preinstalled KDE because 4.0 rocks so much that they are convinced after the first boot. Together with a great media center solution the Apple TV is just a funny thing because the Linux TV comes including the complete desktop and the Linux mini is even smaller then the Mac mini… don’t steal ideas but is this kind of innovation not obvious? To sell using your finger on a mobile phone is not the revolution but the only idea that is coming up in my mind for years. What would happen if the world would see a Linux mini that is a Linux TV at the same time and therefore the most-complete desktop computer the world needs because it does most of your jobs at home. It has be simple and easy to use and it will sell like bred but it would have to bring profit to the open source developers at the same time that would gurantee further development and for some of them to be paid full time to create great software that can be shared around the world. This day I’m looking forward too because it would change the world of computers when Linux finally goes mainstream.

I know these ideas would help the community and therefore I call it the 100% guide to Linux/KDE/Desktop success!

See you in the future.

Send me your comments and spread the word to get this manifest out!


26 Responses to “(V1.0) The Guide to 100%-Linux/KDE/Desktop-Success (The Linux manifest)”

  1. 2 peterpparker

    I said yes you can actually buy Linux preinstalled… read again.

  2. 3 Rick James

    “I was always a friend of the open source community and used Linux
    for quite some time together with the KDE desktop but also with
    GNOME and others as they passed by version and version. I once
    created a online community but left after I felt like the
    developers weren’t listening to the users and therefore the future
    wouldn’t lie with KDE and Linux but with others. Since then I have
    >
    >
    With lame “friends” like you why the heck does the “open source community” needs enemies?

    Go do yourself a favor and dig your Amiga out of the closet and go back to hyping *THAT* again. I’m sure you’ll be just as sucessfull as you were the last time you promoted the Amiga and OS/2 operating systems

  3. 4 Shamar

    “GNOME is right now heading somewhere without direction and innovation. The only real innovation that GNOME has brought around was beagle (the great desktop search) but next to this the project has proven to be unchangeable or only changeable bit by bit over years.”

    You must be drunk.

    RedHat (First Linux distro WorldWide) uses GNOME.
    Ubuntu (Second Linux distro WorldWide) uses GNOME. (Dell, also sell Ubuntu with GNOME preinstalled in the USA, and so does Carrefour -second retail WorldWide- in Europe).
    Solaris (First Unix WorldWide) uses GNOME.
    Firefox (Second browser WorldWide) uses GNOME.
    Nokia (70% of Mobile world Market) uses Maemo (Subset of GNOME).
    One Laptop Per Children Project ONU project uses GNOME.
    Eclipse (First development Platform WorldWide) uses Gtk(subset of GNOME)
    Intel (First chipmaker WorldWide) Ultra Mobile PC uses GNOME.
    Adobe Flash for Linux/UNIX(First software installed worlwide -+95% of personal computers use it-) uses GNOME as well as Acrobat Reader.
    Java 6 (First development Platform WorldWide) uses GNOME.

    Mandriva (nearly delisted from Paris stocks) use KDE.

    Do you think so many highly skilled and recognized companies opted for GNOME with no reasons?

    Or is just that you are a paranoid KDE user?, or are you maybe M$ paid stuff that can’t support we have a de facto opensource desktop and want to split the comunity with vague comments?. Please be serious if you want to be taken seriosly. Or maybe you think tomorrow morning Adobe, Nokia, Sun, RedHat, Intel and IBM are going to read your post and say, “hey forget GNOME, Peter. P. Parker doesn’t like it, we better hurry up and start from the scrath with KDE and pay the licences to Trolltech, uhhh”.

    GNOME on its own merits became time ago the de-facto standard on Linux/UNIX. KDE has become a “laboratory project” of ideas but with ZERO apps and no supporting companies around it. Just someone like you posting “KDE is great since I love it”.

  4. Excellent!. What Linux needs today is standardization. Not all the people are expert users and the vast majority of users are messed “like a crow in fog” when it comes to Linux. “Synergy” is the excellent term in my opinion that should be highlighted and realized among Linux community. Of course freedom matters, but unified efforts of many will generate significant breakthrough in Linux. What we can take as example is that of Firefox. For all users, Firefox is Firefox; but for experts there are enormous add-ons to enjoy and work with. In Linux too, what about having a (or at least few) standardized Linux with several other efforts tentatively as Add-ons or something similar?

  5. 6 Aaron Seigo

    So KDE 4.0 isn’t even out yet and you’re dismissing all of KDE4? Hm. Yes, KDE 4.0 won’t have every possible feature we want, but because we know where we want to be going, we will get there with 4.1, 4.2… that has always been the expectation; this is much like KDE 2.0 was and that led to 3.5 .. compare the 2 and it’s pretty startling.

    I appreciate your offer of encouragement. Of course, what we need now is not encouragement but people actually doing things. We haven’t lost or forgotten our original plans and they are coming along quite nicely. They will come faster if more people contribute.

    The mock up you link to has some nice ideas, but also several .. not so great ones. I’m not sure why people are annoyed that we didn’t take any one mock-up lock stock an barrel when we never said we would nor could we given that none of the mockups were 100% or even 80% “there” and the people who made them were not around to help implement their personal vision either. What we did was look for ideas and input and we have seriously considered and adopted a lot of them. This is more than I think pretty much any other desktop project out there has done to date, so why not give us some credit?

    I’m also very sure that if we had picked any given mock up people would’ve been “that’s it?!” Not an encouraging theme.

    But you want your snazzy effects, right? They are coming in 4.0, and not just in Plasma (though again, it’s like “oh, cool. effects on the desktop. wait, that’s not enough now. they need to be in every app and in kdelibs.” Puh-lease.) They will also be in KWin (already in svn), dolphin (saw code for that today), kdegames and elsewhere. And yes, the reason we introduced those hover-icons-on-icons in Plasma is to do things like previews and extraction; what do you think we were thinking? Trust me, things I’ve seen are ahead of where the suggestions are from bystander users by months or years. These suggestions are usually users looking at what is emerging visibly and jumping to the next obvious step; getting the basics required us to be able to see beyond even that when there was nothing obvious at all. Again, give us some credit and some time.

    We’re working on a full media center for post-4.0, and we have a release event planned. It will take place in Mountain View, CA.

    I’ve looked at your other blog entries and they are similar to this one, e.g. worry that strigi won’t be built in to things (guy: it’s been in kdelibs for how many months now?). You claim there is no over arching vision to KDE4 to “bring it all together”, and that really strikes close to home for me because, believe me, there has been a huge amount of system-level thinking going into KDE4 and it has not been easy or, at times, even fun.

    May I suggest that you take your fear and doubt and sit back for a while. Let us come to you with what actually exists when it is ready for you as an end user. Or better yet, get involved as a contributor and making things happen better and faster.

    When people are allowed to view the development process, and we have purposefully invited people into it more than ever before (I think we’ve laid a new height on that one in the software world to be honest), and we get repaid with premature gnashing of blogs that ends up linuxtoday.com etc… why should we even bother doing it again? You clamor after Apple without realizing that one of their tricks is to only show you the things they’ve worked on, in some cases for years, once they are done. We have a different model; consider it and the benefits of it.

    So I suppose I come with a two-fold message here: things are better than you seem to think; and consider your role in motivating or demoviting and really think about contributing something to make your wildest dreams happen. From documentation to low level coding, all sorts of things can be found to keep one busy.

    Btw, Shamar: there are many companies around KDE and I’ve debunked your crud before on other sites. It would be great if you could take your libel and find another hobby in life.

  6. 7 Guilden_NL

    Hooo boy, you lost me when you starting the Mac Fan Boy drivel. 5%-6% of the US market and

  7. 8 Vi

    Great article. As soon as Linux becomes usable on the desktop it will start increasing its user base. Ultimately this is the most objective criteria of usability. Therefore as it is right now Linux is not really usable on the desktop. Period.
    This article addresses several important points and proposes several solutions on how to make Linux more usable on the desktop.
    I wished Linux developer community had bigger ears and smaller mouth. These Linux “pressure groups” are really something.

  8. 9 eyun

    Fully agree with the author. I am afraid that Linux will never find a common goal. There is simply too much competition going on between the Gnome vs. KDE and certain distro flavours, Debian-, RPM- or Gentoo based.
    Remember that the only reason the pc is so successful is that IBM standardized it and everyone still today is dependant upon that standard.

  9. 10 alpha

    Geez I read all the article just to listen the same Bullshit over and over again. Apple mac os x is propetary idiot! same as the Microsoft you hated always. I don’t see any new innovation of apple since Xerox PARC 20 years ago, just fancy effects using a GPU that you could see in a game.

    Gnome is the leading desktop in Linux and Unix right now. KDE team should really fork the QT Library and re-license as LGPL so Comercial ISV would port or create new software for Linux and that way we will talk if KDE with QT forked could blow GNOME/GTK away.

    And don’t tell me Linux is not usable on the desktop. It is usable even for the avarage joe to listen their mp3,surf the web and write documents and write email. As a power user I have everything I can dream of as GIMP, Blender, Eclipse, Intellij, Kdevelop, tons recording, video, music applications.

    Just choose your hardware compatible with Linux wisely and you will be on track. Dont touch ATI video cards, ATI drivers really just sucks.

    this are my .2c

  10. 11 ytoox

    Hey, I absolutely agree with Seigo. He rocks and knows a whole lot more about KDE than you seem to know given your present article. Your ideas are fine, and at the same time you’re right in saying that there should be more unity in the projects. But wouldn;t people just get bored of the same over the years? If all linuxes were just one project, innovation wouldn’t be able to make it’s way in. We would turn out into the new Microsoft Vista (they only changed the look and feel and it looks like it was done by amateurs looking for good money). Diversity is always the key, and I don’t care how many years KDE takes to take over the world because I know that every time KDE makes its way out for a release it will already be on top of things.

  11. @ytoox, actually seigo is a core kde developper, he is the guy behind the plasma thingy.

  12. 13 mannemerak

    There must be diversity, chaos, choices, 1M distros, diff package managers, window managers etc etc – it creates competition and thus innovation.
    I just believe the user (common mom and dad users) should not worry about this – they should not see this – this it the domain of the IT specialist and computer/software vendor. Dell, IBM, HP, Google etc must decide/(or not) on what to provide to their customers, and then provide support.
    If 95% of the Linux userbase runs Ubuntu on Dell I will still be running openSUSE – and any driver “written for” Ubuntu will run on openSUSE as long as there are openSUSE developers and opensource.

    Linux (the disto) must be integrated into the hardware, like a real OS should be – only apps are important to the user.

  13. 14 Wouter
  14. I was really torn when i finished reading this article.

    I guess i d have to say some of it makes sense.At the same time though alot of it doesnt.

    First of all that obsession with apple is beyond me.Apple products have some good qualities but for me they are the most overhyped products ever.Sure spotlight is good , so is all the bling and effects but apart from that what makes osx so good really ? What exactly is SO innovative about osx after all ? Its just a regular OS with a (very) cute face.There are some things we could learn from apple but those are not the right ones.In my opinion we should “copy” apple in two ways:

    1)LOOKS
    OSX looks great.Thats what people find attractive about it.I ve seen people considering buying macs WITHOUT KNOWING THE FIRST THING about them just by looking at an imac running osx.Is it stable ? Is it fast? Is it reliable ? Does it offer interoperability ? Is it worth its money ? Whats the mac ecosystem like ? What kind of software selection will i have ? They didnt care.Apple had them had them at “hello”.OSX is sexy and thats one of the main reasons people like it.Hell even i envy mac users sometimes for having such a slick os.But thats all.If there was a trully compelling reason to switch i would have done so,but there just isnt one.People feel attracted to “sexy” products just like they feel attracted to other people.Theres nothing rational about it,thats just how it is.Apple knows that and is using it to its advantage.We should do that too.

    2)PR

    As Seigo said apple is very secretive.Its working ,sometimes for years, on something,then it creates a magical aura around it.After that it may leak some info and then everybody is waiting for the HUGE event (keynote).Then Uncle Stevie comes on stage , makes a few jokes, makes fun of the competition and at some point he announces the next “big” thing.By the time he does that it doesnt really matters what that is.Even if its something as trivial as “spaces” people get all worked up about it.INNOVATION ! they cry and start praising master steve.Its marketing , hype.Even if they announce that they are going to change the color theme for osx everybody is going to be talking about it the next day.We should learn from that.Announcing KDE 4 at a similar event sounds like a pretty damn fine idea to me !

    *NOTE* Please dont flame me i am not saying apple sucks i am just saying its overhyped and its not worthy of all that praise.

    As for standardization i really dont know.Obviously having trivial differences that only hinder cross-distro compatibility is something that has to be dealt with but there are already movements in that direction.There are also advantages to having different distros too.I reserve my judgement on this one.

    I will have to agree that according to what i can see right now GNOME isnt doing exactly great.Each version looks and feels just like the previous one.I understand that real work is being done but i believe it isnt enough.I believe what GNOME needs is a GNOME 3 just as KDE has KDE 4.Something that will stir things up and create excitement momentum and … innovation.

    Now for the main course:KDE 4

    I have to admit i ve put all my linux eggs on KDE 4′s basket.Sure its being developed for quite some time now.Sure it might not be the biggest thing the computing world has ever seen.But come on you cant be serious!

    First of all the developers never said that every single feature that was ever mentioned will make it to .0 .If you thought so that is not the devs fault.KDE 4.0 cant be incomplete because the features that are going to be included are not finalised yet so theres nothing you can say about that.

    Secondly if you go to kde look or kde forums and have a look at all the ideas and suggestions you will see that there are just too many of them.Some of them might even be mutually incompatible.Everyone is asking for something he or she would like to see in KDE 4 but obviously you cant satisfy everyone.Ive got ideas too but if i wont see them implemented i wont start bitching about it.You have to be a little bit more realistic about these things.I really have faith in the KDE devs.Sure maybe on their excitement they added a bit extra hype in it but that doesnt mean that KDE4 wont rock!I have no doubt that it will be the best desktop for linux ever , that will surpass vista and i still hold some hope it will make it to osx level(looks wise of course ;) )If it actually surpasses osx then i officially declare the KDE devs and artists gods :) (i wouldnt bet on it though)

    My point is: wait for KDE 4 final and then pass judgement.I am sure if you have reasonable standards you wont be dissapointed.I ve felt the same way you re feeling but its unreasonable.At some point i though KDE will take over the world with all those crazy features but thats just not how things work.I am pretty sure its gonna be great.
    I only hope it will be sexy enough to compete with osx.

    Keep in mind that developing something the size of KDE is no small task.Give em a break ;)

  15. You’re close to the real issue, but not quite there. The true difference between Mac OS X and Linux is focus. And not just focus but oversight, steering, and some form of management. The current model is far too chaotic to work. I have been a Linux user since 1995, and some of the exact same problems are still present 12 years later. They aren’t the flashy, glorious, or even noticed issues so they get bypassed to create Yet-another-halfassed-app that will not integrate with anything else on the system or flounder and die when the dev gets a girlfriend or goes off to school.

    The kernel has oversight, and direction, and management… nothing else does. Every resource at Apple is focused on making one search app, one look, one whatever. They all are developed with the others in mind and integrate and work seamlessly. In-fighting and democracy rule in OSS development where everyone has a say nothing gets done and everyone breaks off to create their own better wheel.

    1linux.blogspot.com

  16. 17 peterpparker

    First of all: I’m very happy the article is being picked up more widely right now and I really need your comments. As I stated on the blog, this article was written down in a short time but with a lot of thoughts in my head that had stayed there for a very long time. So it does sound sometimes not right and maybe not optimistic. It might seem too much Apple at some time and anti-Gnome? Nah… not really. I don’t know a good way to answer right now because I don’t know who will come back and read my comments but I will write a quick answer for you here.
    I was very happy that Aaron Seigo read the article and took his time to answer! I really apreciate your work and I know the KDE, plasma, strigii and all the other projects around KDE-people do a great job and will bring an amazing new desktop to the Linux world, but. I can’t anything of you and I won’t. I wanted to try to create a kind of vision and a paper around issues these projects face. KDE 4.0 is one of the major open source projects that replied to the outcrys of “when will it be released?” with a roadmap that would finish the project up ealier then expected because the basic rule was “its done when its done”. I was afraid that would lead to leaving out other features, and you just told us that there is an idea for a mecia center for post-4.0. It’s great to hear this but it already makes 4.0 for me incomplete or better it makes 4.0 incomplete for my vision.
    This brings me to the Apple thing. Its a lot of Apple in this article for now because this is the company/project that has risen to a new power in the last years but was close to death or a small corp. They relied on innovation and nobody can tell me that things like spotlight took the user in seconds. I’m not looking for fancy effects but for the efficent fancy desktop.
    This is what I think should KDE do and Gnome too. This is what I thought the vision was for 4.0. I’m not saying there is no complete vision for 4.0 but I know that there is no plan saying we will have a fancy spotlight-like strigii running. The way right now is: Someone will come along and put a nice search widget out for plasma and that will make it. I think there are some essential functions that should be taken care of to present a complete desktop from the beginning that is very user friendly and fancy. If you would go around on KDE-Look and -Apps right now you could build a great desktop or if you have a distro that provides the packages but the fact is that often you have to rely on basic KDE or some things that were chagned by the distro creators. Just take a look at some of the standard wallpapers that come with some KDE installs. It’s a shame that there are not 20 awesome wallpapers (and sorry yes apple has nice ones there) that just rock out of the box. If you want to buy a PC and see a Mac and a Windows machine next to each other you would probably go with the Mac after checking it out for 5 mins, how about Linux check out? Well you barely can because the PCs aren’t in stores but even if they would be. Take a look at the plan Kubuntu right now… I’m sorry but the default desktop is just a shame for KDE… these colors are killing my eyes!
    For Gnome. Yes it is very popular by distro vendors but I think the thruth is diffrent and I still think the Gnome people lack any kind of vision for 3.0. Has any Gnome developer replied yet?
    Okay I talked about it more closely. Any suggestions how this should continue? It should be a document that maybe puts some inspiration behind some developers so they might put out a presentation that stunns some press people and creates the damn attention Linux should get after all these years.
    I’m waiting for more of your comments and keep on asking questions! Thanks for reading!

    Update: I totally forgot at frist. Another point of this post is that it shows that this would lead to success for Linux and no one can deny that. So the question is: Shouldn’t there be more voices saying why don’t we go the ways of a stronger Linux? I don’t think anyone could answer no to that…

  17. 18 zparihar

    Shamer,

    The reason why many companies chose Gnome is because of the LGPL license of GTK vs. the GPL License for QT.

    Gnome doesn’t have a 3.0 plan like how KDE has a 4.0 plan. At least one that I’m not aware of…

    Can’t wait for KDE 4.0. Everyones doing a great job there!

  18. 19 Jesus

    Stop speaking. This is the dumbest, most grammar-freaked article in the world. It’s written by some illiterate fool.

  19. 20 Shamar

    zparihar,

    “The reason why many companies chose Gnome is because of the LGPL license of GTK vs. the GPL License for QT.”

    Which on itself is a really big, big reason to go the “GTK way” unless a really big technical advantage could favor QT.

    And just look at API stability. KDE/QT are so badly designed that even main classes must change for KDE 4. Just notice that applications do not inherit anymore from “*Components”, since inheritance means “is a” relation, and obviosly an application is not a component. From an API design point of view KDE 4 is just GNOME 0.5. Maybe that explain why KDE changes version so fast.

    “Gnome doesn’t have a 3.0 plan like how KDE has a 4.0 plan. At least one that I’m not aware of…”

    libSSL has no plan for a 1.0 release. Still it’s the most widely used security library all over the world. Please, be serious. If all you can say is that GNOME has no 3.0 plans …

    Meanwhile notice that Nokia N800 (Maemo, i.e, GNOME) is a great success and for each Mac OSX sold Nokia is selling 10 N800. (I suggest you to buy one since it’s the greatest device I have seen in years, much better that iPhone.)

  20. 21 Daryll

    KDE is based on QT which is commercial and is always worked upon. This is the advantage of commercial product.

    Open source has advantage only if there are many developers but they could not be constant.

    The measurement is which has more changes or development / improvement happening. It does not matter if it is open source or commercial.

    But being commercial implies always development….


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